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VZONES FUTURE CHAT WITH ANDY LOG

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18:57:19 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: well yeah i think so
18:57:19 | <system>: From PetMePlease on Nov 29: Let’s Only Violate Emm is an acro answer LOL
18:57:19 | <system>: From Emmeau on Nov 29: .
18:57:19 | Emm: so, today we discussing brexit
18:57:19 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Little more complex than that Emm
18:57:19 | Emm: yeah need to solve the energy crisis and inflation too
18:57:19 | Emm: and time machine
18:57:19 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: You’ve read my notes?
18:57:19 | Danny: dang
18:57:19 | Danny: im not in the loop at all
18:57:19 | Emm: yes
18:57:19 | Danny: i didnt get memo
18:57:19 | Danny: good thang i needed paint i suppose
18:57:19 | Happy Tobe Here: High <wave>

18:57:19 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Is this road safe?
18:57:19 | Becket: no
18:57:19 | ~*Troela*~: mwoh

18:57:19 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: thats safe and legal
18:57:19 | ~*Troela*~: a bit of a dead end
18:57:19 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: and no tax in the UK

18:57:19 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: and you can drink while on it
18:57:19 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: and use a phone

18:57:19 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: random facts for you
18:57:19 | PetMePlease: Poo wants to come
18:57:19 | ~*Troela*~: yup and bump everyone
18:57:19 | Zophia: legal to drunk horseback ride?
18:57:19 | Emm: yes
18:57:19 | Zophia: *notes*
18:57:19 | Danny: w00t
18:57:19 | Danny: im in
18:57:19 | Happy Tobe Here: what if the horse is drunk?
18:57:19 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: legal
18:57:19 | Happy Tobe Here: does it ride you ?

18:57:19 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: still would be i guess
18:57:19 | Happy Tobe Here: lol
18:57:19 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: not something i will try
18:57:19 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Today I want to be open with you about VZones, my time, and where things are heading. I’d like to explain what VZones Cloud actually means for our future and talk together about the possibility of community support to help move development forward.
18:57:19 | PetMePlease: Let’s get down to the nitty gritty here and speak imperfect english and say.. We need cash to stay up and running and be able to grow <shrug>
18:57:19 | Juliet: well crap
18:57:19 | Tabitha: love my toilet
18:57:19 | Tuli: we have so many places filled with seats
18:57:19 | Tuli: and yet here we be
18:57:19 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Starting in 6 minutes
18:57:19 | Emm: its more complicated than that
18:57:19 | Majenta: BYOS
18:57:19 | Tuli: im on it
18:57:19 | crazy~lil~noodle: is it ok with my hairs troela?
18:57:19 | ~*Troela*~: sure
18:57:19 | crazy~lil~noodle: k
18:57:19 | ~*Troela*~: nothing can get in my eyes
18:57:19 | Danny: emm you doing notes?
18:57:19 | Wade: seems like enough room for a world
18:57:19 | Emm: dont have gettext installed
18:57:19 | Lady Devra: i do
18:57:19 | Emm: getting it now
18:57:19 | Danny: port me<react>
18:57:19 | Lady Devra: way behind emmm <react> i already did 😛

18:57:19 | Emm: i reinstalled windows
18:57:19 | ~*Troela*~: take a seat
18:57:19 | Wade: hoppy
18:57:19 | crazy~lil~noodle: danke
18:57:19 | Lady Devra: windows hates it
18:57:35 | SnowTigress: ty andy
18:57:35 | <system>: You’ve received Fall Fungus Seat ’25 from ~*Troela*~.
18:57:35 | SnowTigress: hugs all
18:57:35 | crazy~lil~noodle: toc toc
18:57:35 | Emm: naw
18:57:40 | crazy~lil~noodle: nice back poody
18:57:51 | PetMePlease: this room reminds of Gone With The Wind.. The drapes <shrug>
18:57:51 | Poody Cat: sorry
18:57:56 | Emm: i installed vzones out of program files
18:57:56 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Please note guys Ashley has done something she said she would never do
18:58:06 | crazy~lil~noodle: ty
18:58:06 | SnowTigress: haha
18:58:12 | Majenta: did she finally leave london?
18:58:17 | Hop Tart: dye her hair?
18:58:22 | SnowTigress: the ones she used to make the dress when she visited rhett in the jail
18:58:22 | Happy Tobe Here: not shop?
18:58:27 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: She left London!!
18:58:27 | Wade: brush her teefs
18:58:33 | Hop Tart: have another kid?
18:58:33 | Emm: lol
18:58:43 | Gemmy: lol
18:58:54 | Tabitha: ummm
18:58:54 | Suzie: hey there Kam
18:58:54 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Ashley is pregnant????
18:58:54 | Tabitha: yo
18:58:54 | Suzie: morning
18:58:59 | Emm: ty
18:58:59 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: First VZ baby????
18:59:06 | Kamryn: morning
18:59:16 | Ashley: lord do not ever say that again
18:59:16 | Happy Tobe Here: dont look at me i was at work
18:59:16 | Ashley: lol
18:59:27 | Juliet: lol, poor Ash
18:59:27 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: lips sealed
18:59:32 | Ashley: haha
18:59:37 | Wade: tabz porta potty in tow
18:59:37 | Ashley: i got enough kids

18:59:42 | Ashley: lol
18:59:48 | Majenta: the room with no chairs really tests our creativity with placement lol
18:59:48 | Tabitha: rofl np tig
18:59:48 | Gracie: heard of people bring the kitchen sink but never the toilet
18:59:48 | Majenta: good brain activity lmao
19:00:05 | Tabitha: my thinkin throne<react><react><react>
19:00:05 | PetMePlease: I dont have kids, I have adults and my adults have teenagers
19:00:05 | beannie: ty
19:00:05 | Suzie: some things are good not said outloud

19:00:05 | Suzie: lol
19:00:10 | Giapet: i have the kitchen sink
19:00:10 | Gracie: <jump>
19:00:16 | Zophia: there now you can see a little bit kam
19:00:16 | Tuli: lol
19:00:16 | Gracie: haha
19:00:16 | Ashley: wow we moving in
19:00:21 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: We have it all now
19:00:21 | Ashley: toilet
19:00:21 | Ashley: sink
19:00:21 | SnowTigress: lmao

19:00:21 | Ashley: lol
19:00:28 | Giapet: lol
19:00:28 | Kamryn: I dont mind not being seen
19:00:28 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: do i lock the door and we stay in for 24 hours?
19:00:28 | Kamryn: but ty
19:00:33 | Giapet: i am ready

19:00:33 | TWIZZLER: everything but the kitchen sink
19:00:33 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: mega party?
19:00:33 | TWIZZLER: and there it is
19:00:33 | Ashley: omg do not

19:00:39 | Tuli: no
19:00:39 | Suzie: where is Kam
19:00:39 | Giapet: no no no
19:00:39 | Ashley: lol
19:00:44 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: no?
19:00:44 | Suzie: lol
19:00:44 | Tuli: put your sink away
19:00:44 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: We could do it
19:00:49 | Zophia: behind me next to susie
19:00:49 | Gracie: some of us have to eat so no.
19:00:49 | SnowTigress: oh god no please
19:00:49 | Becket: whats up with the sink
19:00:54 | Giapet: i already missed the good stuff this morning
19:00:54 | Danny: i just need paint
19:00:54 | Tuli: before he locks us in
19:00:54 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: guys
19:01:00 | Kamryn: and ty for showering <react>
19:01:00 | Danny: fgs
19:01:05 | Giapet: i want a dress like tabitha has
19:01:15 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: lets get started
19:01:15 | Tuli: you missed the window
19:01:15 | Becket: put the sink away ty
19:01:21 | Tuli: snooze ya lose
19:01:21 | Morning Glory: plz
19:01:31 | Ashley: tell polly to put it up again
19:01:36 | PetMePlease: ..
19:01:36 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Hi everyone, thanks for joining today. I’ll keep this brief because the main purpose is to talk openly together.
19:01:36 | Ashley: she might do a round 2
19:01:47 | SnowTigress: blue is better
19:02:00 | Giapet: i would buy more than one
19:02:00 | Giapet: would have
19:02:00 | PetMePlease: all crushed in one locale
19:02:06 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: The reason we’re here is to talk about the future of VZones and how we can move it forward as a community. As many of you know, the cost of keeping VZones running has increased a lot over the years electricity, hardware,
19:02:06 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: repairs and the old servers we rely on are becoming harder to maintain.
19:02:06 | Giapet: i saw purple!!
19:02:06 | SnowTigress: they will be in vendos in the christmas locale when it opens up
19:02:06 | Morning Glory: we’ll live
19:02:13 | SnowTigress: just like last year
19:02:13 | Giapet: oh oh oh
19:02:18 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: At the same time, we need to move VZones onto modern technology so we’re no longer depending on aging equipment.
19:02:32 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: In simple terms, this means taking everything that currently runs on physical machines and moving it into a stable, modern online cloud system. This will make VZones more reliable, easier to maintain
19:02:37 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: and more secure for the future. It means we are no longer reliant on hardware that was made 30 years ago.
19:02:54 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: This gives us the ability to then allow 3rd party companies to create virtual worlds which would fund VZones long term and then mean we can lower the price of access to WorldsAway.
19:03:00 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: It would open the door to a builder version of the software so in other worlds you would be able to build,
19:03:13 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: create and do anything you wanted without having to purchase single items. WorldsAway would forever stay the same but it opens
19:03:13 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: the door for other worlds on this format. This would attract 3rd party developers, new artists and high numbers of members which would help grow the original WorldsAway.
19:03:39 | SnowTigress: hmm kinda like secondlife?
19:03:45 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Now before I move on I will take any questions you have to help you understand what VZones cloud actually is and would give you.
19:04:08 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: very similar to SL as in you can get a sim yep
19:04:08 | Rayanna: oops
19:04:13 | Hop Tart: other worlds like altaway?
19:04:18 | Happy Tobe Here: harsh
19:04:18 | Hop Tart: what do you mean other worlds
19:04:34 | Wade: there are no other worlds
19:04:34 | Juliet: How would inputting new art into the worlds work?
19:04:39 | Happy Tobe Here: AA nuffin but theifs and liers

19:04:55 | SnowTigress: secondlife?

19:05:00 | Poody Cat: SL is this second life ?
19:05:00 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Other worlds I mean anyone could rent a world from VZones
19:05:05 | SnowTigress: yes
19:05:05 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: SL = Second Life

19:05:10 | Poody Cat: yessssssss
19:05:16 | Hop Tart: ok
19:05:16 | Gemmy: rent a world?
19:05:16 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Lets say polly pocket wanted to create a 2d world for the fans
19:05:29 | Happy Tobe Here: would these seperate worlds or could they connect?
19:05:29 | Juliet: So how much would the estimated cost be for a small one?
19:05:29 | SnowTigress: i have shops in there and one year i made enough money to buy myself a brand new pt cruiser
19:05:35 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: they could come to VZones and get everything they needed branded polly pocket
19:05:40 | PetMePlease: Honestly speaking.. Im good with helping out cash wise, but I hate technical changes.. IM too old for that shit

19:05:57 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: It’s one example of how it could be used when it’s in the cloud.
19:05:57 | Hop Tart: polly pocket world
19:06:03 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: yep
19:06:24 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: The REAL main benefit is that we are not reliant on the old hardware when it’s in the cloud. That’s the most important part of all this.
19:06:24 | Gemmy: will the worlds be connected or like seperate and different accts?
19:06:34 | Hop Tart: what do you need from us?
19:06:45 | SnowTigress: i’m sure we could set up workshops to teach everyone the new client and things you can do
19:06:50 | Emm: what we running on now , sparc?
19:07:09 | Majenta: would the cloud be consistantly performing backups of info so we dont lose anything if a technological catastrophy occured?
19:07:09 | Poody Cat: you rent a peace of land and build it the way you want to
19:07:09 | SnowTigress: fart
19:07:09 | Juliet: How much would running a private small world with not that many users cost? Do we buy our own cloud space to run it?
19:07:09 | Hop Tart: we?
19:07:33 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Nothing would change for VZones/WorldsAway when it’s in the cloud apart from the fact that it would NEVER go down and it could scale to handle any volume of members
19:07:38 | Ashley: im ready
19:07:43 | Ashley: vzones deserves to grow
19:07:54 | Majenta: that sounds postive!
19:08:01 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: We ar running on Sparc servers now yes.
19:08:06 | Ashley: vzones will compete with second life
19:08:17 | Ashley: we will draw their base
19:08:17 | Poody Cat: Vzones needs to grow
19:08:22 | SnowTigress: yes
19:08:35 | beannie: Just remember that what come with good, comes with bad <shrug>
19:08:35 | SnowTigress: less down time for server issues
19:08:35 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Private world would be like SL you would just rent it and have a login. That simple.
19:09:08 | Ashley: and this is all cheaper Andy??
19:09:08 | Poody Cat: yes
19:09:08 | Happy Tobe Here: in the long run
19:09:08 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: The massive difference is rather than paying thousands to run 1 server every month we can run 100 servers for $300
19:09:13 | Wade: no, only if other companies Invest
19:09:13 | Juliet: by rent, do you mean the program use or the locales?
19:09:36 | crazy~lil~noodle: but world away like it is would still be there?
19:09:36 | SnowTigress: those old servers use up a lot of resources
19:09:43 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: SL have similar problem they use a physical server for each world/sim which is why it costs ££££
19:09:48 | Ashley: hopefully we do not see an account cost increase
19:09:54 | Hop Tart: what would be used to build, the art from here?
19:10:01 | Poody Cat: its the same as paying rent for youe place
19:10:20 | Ashley: well let us know what you need from us Andy I support it
19:10:20 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: WorldsAway would always be the same yes.
19:10:20 | Ashley: But i dont wanna pay more
19:10:20 | Ashley: lol
19:10:25 | Gracie: Do you think you would get companies to invest on the cloud?
19:10:25 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: It would be more reliable and cheaper.
19:10:32 | SnowTigress: would there be client tools like SL in which we could make our own clothing and items?
19:10:32 | Majenta: i agree with ashley lol
19:10:32 | crazy~lil~noodle: so we could upload our own Art?
19:10:37 | Happy Tobe Here: i say its all good go for it
19:11:03 | PetMePlease: we opened in 2018 and havent been increased.. Even SL increased my membership
19:11:03 | Gemmy: will it make it easier to find old SC turfs? or it wont effect that happening?
19:11:03 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: SnowTig yes you would be able to do everything like in SL
19:11:09 | Ashley: SL also cost far less
19:11:14 | Ashley: js
19:11:19 | Hop Tart: sl sucks the graphics are difficult
19:11:25 | Lady Devra: <snort>
19:11:40 | Hop Tart: just my opinion

19:11:40 | Ashley: yeah i do not like SL its too hard to run
19:11:40 | TWIZZLER: lol
19:11:40 | Tabitha: yeah i hate SL
19:11:40 | TWIZZLER: Sl is free
19:11:40 | Tabitha: jus sayin
19:11:45 | Ashley: nothing like vzones in the world

19:11:59 | SnowTigress: difficult how?
19:11:59 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Your own art could be uploaded but it depends how the owner of the world/server allowed it but yes. Not to WorldsAway which would stay the same.
19:12:04 | Kizza: I love it and go there every day
19:12:10 | crazy~lil~noodle: okies
19:12:10 | TWIZZLER: yeah I dont know how it is difficult, you put clothes on you take them off
19:12:10 | Hop Tart: the graphics and how stuff moves it could be my wifi
19:12:10 | TWIZZLER: you tp
19:12:10 | Lady Devra: and you can’t use state of the art ISPs with SL <shrug>
19:12:15 | Ashley: it takes a long time to even dress there
19:12:20 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: But to confirm again the main goal is not to get the software working so it can be sold to others.
19:12:25 | PetMePlease: It would take me a few weeks to get back into it .. I used to be in there all the time
19:12:31 | Tuli: or you are a mist ball
19:12:31 | Wade: noice poosh ws
19:12:36 | SnowTigress: ya me too
19:12:36 | Kizza: you can dress with one click
19:12:36 | Becket: would yall get still
19:12:41 | Tabitha: welcome to Andy’s Chaos hope you brought your own chair <react>
19:12:41 | TWIZZLER: I came from SL to Vzones, it is super easy
19:12:46 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: It’s to stop being reliant on the old hardware
19:12:52 | KaybeeKat: will our game cards/hosters be new and improved…more games?
19:12:52 | SnowTigress: i still have stuff in the marketplace
19:13:05 | SnowTigress: but i rarely go in anymore
19:13:05 | Happy Tobe Here: but wh9os gonna make new hosters?
19:13:05 | Hop Tart: great idea andy
19:13:05 | Ashley: Andy you will remain owner of this world and will allow others to purchase other worls correct
19:13:11 | SnowTigress: i get notices to email when i sell something
19:13:16 | Ashley: wolds*
19:13:16 | Tuli: i havent been in SL in years
19:13:21 | Hop Tart: yes the osters
19:13:21 | Hop Tart: hosters
19:13:21 | Gracie: Understand that as the hardware is pretty old now.
19:13:26 | Ashley: worlds*
19:13:42 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Games/cards it would make no difference………BUT by opening the software to other people it would we would do something where WorldsAway has rights to a free copy of everything.
19:14:03 | Happy Tobe Here: interestiong
19:14:08 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: So similar to SL they made it opensource and it filled with developers/designers.
19:14:16 | Ashley: yes gotcha
19:14:21 | SnowTigress: yes
19:14:26 | SnowTigress: i used to make a living in there

19:14:40 | SnowTigress: i should have kept it up
19:14:40 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: So right now we have 4 VZones servers
19:15:02 | crazy~lil~noodle: in SL the Art isnt free <shrug>
19:15:02 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: We use 1 and have 3 as backup
19:15:02 | SnowTigress: nowhere along the lines of Anshe Chung though
19:15:02 | crazy~lil~noodle: if I set it to free yes
19:15:02 | Giapet: how would you go about getting investors and new members?
19:15:02 | crazy~lil~noodle: but if not it cost
19:15:02 | SnowTigress: she became a multi millionaire
19:15:02 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: We have spare parts for 5th.
19:15:16 | Juliet: Is this something that will be affordable for some of us to buy? What will be the cost of the use of the software?

19:15:21 | Wade: it would be better to move that to a virtual machine
19:15:34 | Gemmy: Andy will this help with finding old SC turfs at all?
19:15:39 | Poody Cat: yes
19:15:39 | Juliet: We’d buy do it on our own cloud space?
19:15:50 | Julia: Yes Gemmy I’m wondering that as well. Been waiting……
19:16:02 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Right now Gemmy we are discussing the cloud
19:16:02 | pepper pot: me too
19:16:13 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: In a few minutes I will discuss my time.
19:16:18 | Gemmy: i was just wondering if it effects that
19:16:23 | Emm: why not emulate sparc in the cloud?

19:16:55 | Julia: Andy, she asked earlier if it would make it easier to find SC turfs.
19:17:06 | Ashley: Andy do we get a cut when this takes off LOL
19:17:27 | Happy Tobe Here: free vip for everyone<jump>
19:17:27 | PetMePlease: tell me where to send the money
19:17:32 | Gracie: will the world still look the same as it is now in design?
19:17:32 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Emm only 1 company does that via google cloud and they charge 45K setup and 20K/year and it’s limited to 32 BIT and that’s only 1 server. So you can’t expand/grow.
19:17:32 | Tabitha: that’s literally all i’m saying cuz i’m still fkn pissed that they haven’t found my tst turfs
19:17:32 | SnowTigress: spark needs a lot of ram
19:17:37 | Wade: pls
19:17:59 | Emm: ok ty

19:18:10 | SnowTigress: yeah spark is kinda complex
19:18:22 | SnowTigress: amd the expense ads up
19:18:28 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: The modern versions of sparc you can get in the cloud but VZ using older version that we partly upgraded to 64BIT to get passed 3.5GB limit of TST hoarding

19:18:55 | SnowTigress: ya i’ma pixel hoarding bish
19:18:55 | crazy~lil~noodle: lol@ hoarding
19:19:00 | Wade: its gonna be rarte one day…

19:19:00 | Wade: rare

19:19:12 | <system>: You have 332611 tokens.
19:19:12 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: From January 2026, I’ll have the opportunity to reduce my normal outside consulting work. If we can fund the development together, it frees up around 80 extra hours each month that I can put directly into VZones which would see more events
19:19:17 | Kizza: the TST turfs are affordable
19:19:17 | PetMePlease: OMG..Im a pixel whore
19:19:23 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: more support, more in-world time, and faster progress on ideas, requests and new features.
19:19:23 | Kizza: thats why
19:19:47 | Poody Cat: sounds great
19:19:47 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: If the community can support £1,500 per month ($2,000) via a community funding page, it covers the development costs and allows me to shift that time back into VZones. This could be split over 150+ members.
19:20:05 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: If we don’t reach the full per month goal, then the 80 hours can’t be freed up and development won’t speed up.
19:20:05 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: But anyone who contributes to January will receive the full value of their contribution back in in-world gold, so no one loses anything.
19:20:05 | Julia: Ok…. one thing
19:20:13 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: And I want to be very clear: Please only support if it is comfortable and affordable for you.
19:20:18 | Poody Cat: Iam in Second Life been there over 18 years now
19:20:18 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: I do not want anyone contributing if it reduces the AW, gold, or IW purchases you already make.
19:20:23 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: We don’t want to shift or replace existing revenue this is only meant to be additional support from those who are happy and able to do it.
19:20:28 | PetMePlease: and I still got G from last yrs Black Friday.. the 900G for $500 is great IF U can do it and it helps Our World
19:20:44 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Please don’t contribute if it causes hardship, don’t reduce your AW or gold spending, don’t feel pressure and only contribute if it’s comfortable.
19:20:51 | Ashley: I will be able to do this early 2026
19:21:02 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: All the details are written out clearly on the GoFundMe page for you to read in your own time.
19:21:02 | Julia: Not to sound rude but we pay a lot now. What is the “payout” for us to invest that much? I’m not talking money but <shrug>
19:21:02 | Danny: LOL
19:21:07 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: That’s the purpose of today: to share the plan, answer questions, and hear your thoughts. I’d really like to open the floor now and listen to everyone.
19:21:36 | Gracie: Will the chat still be above as it is now or different?
19:21:36 | Ashley: and can help but what would interest me more is if i contribute i get gold back AND a custome turf if i donate $500 or more
19:21:36 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: not rude at all
19:22:04 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: We would continue Cloud Dev which is where 100% of that goes to but I would be able to put in an additional 80 hours.
19:22:04 | Happy Tobe Here: you need this every month?
19:22:10 | Ashley: So i donate 500 and you give me 500g plus a turf. Right now you got 900 gold for 500
19:22:10 | Happy Tobe Here: fopr how long?
19:22:23 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: This is what I’ve been paying personally for over 3 years.
19:23:12 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: We are probably 2 years away from finishing it at that speed. High end 25+ year C++ developers are VERY expensive. I am very lucky to have good long standing relationship with our dev.
19:23:52 | Happy Tobe Here: but you would need us to donate 2k ua each month?
19:23:52 | Julia: I’m very grateful for that
19:23:52 | Happy Tobe Here: forever?
19:23:57 | Kizza: yeah
19:24:07 | Ashley: I am grateful too
19:24:07 | PetMePlease: No it comes to $2400 a yr
19:24:18 | PetMePlease: 50 a week
19:24:18 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Just to be clear if we don’t meet the goal. Everything continues as normal. I continue doing everything as normal, funding the future. Nothing will change. So do not worry.
19:24:34 | Julia: Not worried
19:24:39 | Majenta: about how much per person per month would you need, ballpark wise? and for how many months? or is it just whatever someone wants to contribure or what they can, and indefinitely?
19:24:39 | Ashley: so you need just an additional 2400 a year for this?
19:24:44 | Julia: But what can we as investors expect in return?
19:24:58 | crazy~lil~noodle: so everyone could give what they can ? but the monthly price stays like it is?
19:24:58 | SnowTigress: no, 2k a month
19:25:19 | Ashley: 2k a month is alot
19:25:24 | PetMePlease: No 2400 a yr Ive done the math
19:25:24 | Majenta: between 150 thats only $13 per person
19:25:29 | Happy Tobe Here: i asume anything over the 2k per month goes towards the next month?
19:25:29 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: The main return you’ll get is me working an additional 80 hours a week IW.
19:25:29 | SnowTigress: well sure it is if you are paying it alone
19:25:35 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: a month!
19:25:35 | Ashley: wow
19:25:40 | Ashley: i love it

19:25:54 | PetMePlease: Its listed as $50 a week
19:25:54 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: It wouldn’t let you go over the 2k a month.

19:25:59 | SnowTigress: but with all of us donating if a 150 people donated it would be just over 13 a month per person

19:25:59 | Ashley: tell us what you need additional a month plz
19:26:21 | PetMePlease: 200
19:26:21 | crazy~lil~noodle: yes
19:26:21 | Ashley: I need to figure out what i can do
19:26:21 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: So my normal work + 80 hours a month to do more of everything you want/love IW.
19:26:33 | Poody Cat: not in Canada tho
19:26:49 | Happy Tobe Here: set up a 1$ per G bot?>

19:27:05 | Ashley: ty
19:27:05 | Ashley: Ashley
19:27:20 | Emm: assuming we havent had an inflation correction for years, if you would add the 2k a month distributed over memberships, what price increase we talking approx?
19:27:20 | PetMePlease: LOL I dont believe him with all that LOL but I think he will try LOL
19:27:46 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: I don’t want to put up prices. I would prefer to keep things as they are and i will fund it as i have been doing.
19:27:46 | Hop Tart: so you are saying whatever we contribute will be given to us in gold?
19:27:53 | Wade: im all for moving the software to the cloud, all the rest sounds feeshy
19:28:07 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: I think the price we charge now is fair price.
19:28:18 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Not sure about Feeshy?
19:28:23 | Wade: suspicious
19:28:28 | SnowTigress: fishy

19:28:28 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: How so?
19:28:33 | Wade: are you going to post all of this?
19:28:44 | Kizza: I would call it a fair price if we got what was promised
19:28:54 | Kizza: but we don’t
19:28:54 | Wade: and one last question, are you related to david andrews?
19:29:05 | SnowTigress: lmao
19:29:05 | SnowTigress: omg
19:29:05 | SnowTigress: hahaha

19:29:21 | Emm: <deep breathing> he is not my father
19:29:26 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Kizza if you have new complaints please put them on a ticket and I will help you with them
19:29:31 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: David Andrew no.
19:29:31 | Poody Cat: better clothing better bodies lol all the good stuff
19:30:00 | Julia: we need artists for that <shrug>
19:30:11 | Poody Cat: SL has all that
19:30:24 | Happy Tobe Here: open sorce
19:30:24 | Kizza: David Andrews, the serial entrepreneuer
19:30:24 | Kizza: hhHh
19:30:30 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Artists yeah that’s critical we get more art. We all know this. It takes time not just from the artist but from VZones.
19:30:40 | Tuli: with Justine
19:30:40 | Wade: you completely missed my point
19:30:51 | Kizza: that was his description of himself on his website
19:30:56 | Wade: we all donated loads of cash then, and we were taken
19:31:17 | SnowTigress: yeah
19:31:17 | Emm: that was Justine Reichmann
19:31:22 | crazy~lil~noodle: rightd
19:31:22 | Wade: before her
19:31:27 | SnowTigress: he took our money then pood
19:31:27 | crazy~lil~noodle: right too
19:31:27 | SnowTigress: poof
19:31:40 | Poody Cat: wow realy
19:31:45 | Emm: but lets look ahead
19:31:45 | Wade: show that this can work
19:31:45 | Tuli: andy is just asking for help..he
19:31:50 | crazy~lil~noodle: the time we donated money and got an AW turf
19:31:56 | Lady Devra: cloud tufs were DA
19:31:56 | Becket: he just want help to keep this place going
19:32:01 | Lady Devra: and Ribert
19:32:06 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: I am not that kind of person Wade
19:32:06 | Emm: right
19:32:06 | Wade: stabalize the software then work on expansion
19:32:12 | Tuli: yes
19:32:12 | PetMePlease: I still have my Cloud turf.. I gotta pay rent on it and I wasnt suppose to have to LOL
19:32:12 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: I am very open
19:32:27 | PetMePlease: omg
19:32:33 | SnowTigress: but the software is very outdated
19:32:33 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: and working an additional 80 hours a month you would see rapid things happening IW all the time.
19:32:33 | PetMePlease: its a sign Polly
19:32:38 | crazy~lil~noodle: right Pet
19:32:38 | SnowTigress: and that is one of the biggest problems
19:32:57 | SnowTigress: cuz it takes so much more work to keep it stable and running
19:33:15 | PetMePlease: when we donated to VZ back then we got Cloud Turfs that was 2000 and now we got another Cloud
19:33:21 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: SnowTig is right. That’s the main problem and goal we are getting to. Updating this means it can be on modern hardware. Not hardware that’s 30+ years old
19:33:26 | Happy Tobe Here: well i easly spend 20 extra a month on gold
19:33:31 | Happy Tobe Here: so you can have that for gold
19:33:50 | Majenta: so is your goal to replace your rw consulting job with 80 hours of working iw? and youre trying to figure out a way to do this that financially makes sense? just trying to fully understand
19:34:00 | Happy Tobe Here: sounds bout right
19:34:08 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: That’s basically it Majenta
19:34:18 | Majenta: okay thats what i was gathering, so this makes sense
19:34:28 | PetMePlease: Ok
19:34:44 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: That’s why it’s not something I can just start/stop easily.
19:34:55 | PetMePlease: So Am I right with the $50 a week $2400 for a year
19:34:55 | Majenta: money has to come from somewhere if hes the only person financially supporting a big chunk of keeping this going. while our memberships help, its clearly not enough to expand on everything
19:35:11 | Happy Tobe Here: i cant aford thta
19:35:31 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: That’s right Majenta
19:35:37 | Tuli: if 150 members paid an extra 20 a month he would get 3000 a month
19:35:47 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: I will quickly explain what happened last month.
19:35:47 | Happy Tobe Here: i can do that
19:35:47 | Tuli: that would help
19:35:54 | Majenta: since people are giving what they can, if they can, im sure it wouldnt be an outrageous amount we all would be consistently contributing, as some will be able to do way more than others
19:36:15 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: With the backup servers we planned to add an additional hard drive in each server as a 2nd backup from the main
19:36:31 | Poody Cat: if we have to pay more a month then we should all get VIP
19:36:42 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: You can’t buy new drives anymore. I tested the drive all okay.
19:36:47 | Danny: pft
19:36:52 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: I put the drive into backup server 1 and started work on it.
19:36:52 | Majenta: its an at-will extra contribution with the trade off being gold it sounds like
19:37:06 | Becket: he’s not going on up on the membership
19:37:11 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: it wasnt working
19:37:11 | SnowTigress: outdated client, outdated hardware
19:37:16 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: I put it in the 2nd backup server to troubleshoot
19:37:32 | Becket: If you want VIP pay 35.00 a month
19:37:54 | Happy Tobe Here: i alrdy do
19:37:54 | Poody Cat: lol
19:37:54 | Becket: thats not what he is talking about
19:37:54 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: After nearly 2 weeks of work 10+ hours a day the one drive has shorted the controller that powers all the drives and all the drives
19:37:54 | Zophia: Do you have a gofundme page already made?
19:37:54 | Poody Cat: not in canada
19:38:00 | Becket: get on the right page
19:38:00 | Emm: yikes
19:38:00 | Poody Cat: try 40
19:38:10 | SnowTigress: damn
19:38:21 | crazy~lil~noodle: ack
19:38:21 | Emm: fibre/isci an option?
19:38:21 | beannie: how many paying members do we have ?
19:38:34 | Emm: iscsi
19:38:34 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: I spent thousands on replacement hardware and 2 weeks to get everything fixed and backup.
19:38:56 | Kamryn: and nz $66
19:38:56 | Tuli: we all paying members unless friends loaned an avi
19:38:56 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: not fibre no (that’s cheap) old scsi
19:39:20 | SnowTigress: secondlife uses amazon web services don’t they?
19:39:20 | crazy~lil~noodle: ah ja
19:39:20 | Emm: ok so old hardware impossible to replace
19:39:25 | Becket: thats besides the point don’t matter how many members there are if you can give a little more a month then do it if you can’t then don’t
19:39:25 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: It was a lesson learnt fot the future but it’s an example of how hard it can be to manage old hardware.
19:39:53 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: I was at the point of getting on a plane to go to texas to pickup hardware and fly back with it.
19:39:59 | crazy~lil~noodle: and it can happen again <shrug> with old hardware
19:40:04 | Tuli: i just want to know how to help you per month
19:40:09 | crazy~lil~noodle: wow
19:40:15 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: the reason being that I cannot sleep at night if we don’t have all the backup servers in place and ready
19:40:46 | beannie: that’s not good, how many paying members do we have ?
19:40:46 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: It’s very very over the top but keeping vzones online and stable is the most important part of what i do
19:41:18 | Emm: i appreciate your dedication
19:41:18 | SnowTigress: just think about this. we can support this effort to change to cloud services or take the chance that sometime in the future the available hardware will just not be there
19:41:18 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Very up and down on the count as we get a lot of standards on 1 month and go so around 150
19:41:41 | Majenta: okay so if i am understanding right, if we can all help with the funding so you can put that extra time in, eventually when this expands,
19:41:41 | Majenta: other companies would ideally come in to replace us in financially contributing?
19:41:47 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: SnowTigress is very right….I have hardware to keep us going for years but it’s right
19:42:02 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Majenta that’s right.
19:42:07 | beannie: ok if we divide $ 2000/ per month by 150 members that = $ 13.33 per month
19:42:18 | SnowTigress: yes
19:42:25 | Tuli: 2400
19:42:30 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: The idea being (same as SL) vzones makes it’s money from other people running worlds/software and membership comes down.
19:42:30 | Majenta: and ideally we would be asked to help over the next year or so? are there even 150 ppl iw?
19:42:36 | Emm: cloud would bring TCO down drastically also
19:42:36 | Happy Tobe Here: he said 2k us
19:42:41 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: The cheaper membership the more people will come in
19:42:41 | SnowTigress: where you get 2400?
19:42:46 | Becket: everyone can’t not pay the ectra is the point
19:42:52 | Becket: extra
19:42:57 | Tuli: 162 right now
19:43:04 | Majenta: well some can contribute more than others so it should balance out if theres enough people
19:43:15 | SnowTigress: that’s why he said pay what you can or don’t if you can'[t
19:43:15 | Becket: I know a few that can not pay extra
19:43:25 | SnowTigress: others will most likely contribute more
19:43:30 | Emm: like jp in games
19:43:45 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Does anyone remember halloween when we had the zombies, zappers and quests?
19:43:45 | Emm: some donate more than others
19:43:50 | Happy Tobe Here: oh i can pay in Ts
19:43:57 | Majenta: if you do this, put some kind of goal on the website each month that goes down everytime someone donates
19:44:16 | crazy~lil~noodle: yeah
19:44:21 | Happy Tobe Here: he said it wont accept more then wht its set at
19:44:21 | SnowTigress: yes, that would be a good idea
19:44:27 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Yeah I’ve set this up on a GoFundMe so you can see clearly the goal/the amounts/who did what.
19:44:32 | SnowTigress: so that everyone knows where we stand with donations
19:44:53 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: It can’t go above no. We only need that amount to cover the dev.
19:45:04 | SnowTigress: and as far as gofundme goes, you do realize you will need to take into account that they take a percentage of the donations
19:45:09 | crazy~lil~noodle: ok so we can donate whenever we can
19:45:14 | crazy~lil~noodle: no need to be monthly but can
19:45:14 | SnowTigress: so is there another way to donate?
19:45:35 | Majenta: why not just setup a paypal account for donations so a percentage is not taken and all of what we donate goes to this?
19:45:35 | crazy~lil~noodle: if I have more I can donate and maybe next month less
19:45:40 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Yeah that’s 2.9% which i will cover. VZ also has to pay tax on it but that’s all covered.
19:46:09 | Tuli: i got rid of paypal..so mine would be directly from bank
19:46:09 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: PayPal/Stripe is similar but it’s an easy way to keep it open so you can see it
19:46:20 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: One thing Wade said about the fish…….
19:46:30 | PetMePlease: will this be yearly?
19:46:36 | SnowTigress: 2k monthly
19:47:10 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: It’s monthly. So if I didnt do anything extra you could simply not fund next month and complain at me. But that’s not going to happen.
19:47:15 | crazy~lil~noodle: lol
19:47:21 | crazy~lil~noodle: good to know <g>
19:47:31 | PetMePlease: U know I dont monthly Andy
19:47:36 | PetMePlease: do
19:47:57 | SnowTigress: i do have a question
19:48:13 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: If anyone knows old member Ryleigh this is someone we could do with having back
19:48:24 | SnowTigress: how long do you anticipate the timeframe for moving over to web services
19:48:29 | SnowTigress: or have you gotten that far?
19:48:52 | Happy Tobe Here: why who is that
19:48:52 | Majenta: i thought he said about 2 years
19:48:57 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: No fixed time but it’s at least 2 years yeah
19:49:08 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Right now we have the bots in the cloud
19:49:13 | SnowTigress: so 2 years, possibly longer
19:49:39 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: possibly yeah….when we get to the art that will be complex
19:50:31 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: One thing to also note that anytime I see good priced old hardware. I buy it.
19:50:46 | beannie: Could this difference be made up by regular memberships, upgrading to VIP memberships ?
19:50:51 | pepper pot: If you had someone to train artists, you would get more to do the art work<shrug>
19:51:07 | Majenta: so he needs like 48k to stay afloat the next to years to be able to put in the time here by leaving the consulting job.. so if theres 150 ppl helping, thats only like $320 a year, or $26 a month for the next couple years
19:51:41 | Hop Tart: amos wife
19:51:41 | PetMePlease: whatever
19:51:46 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: That’s right
19:51:46 | Majenta: not too bad when its broken down if that many people can consistantly help out.
19:52:02 | Majenta: also lessens for others if some can give more. i dont think its a terrible idea
19:52:18 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: But to confirm again. You’ll be getting a lot more of everything IW from my time.
19:52:34 | crazy~lil~noodle: oh oh 😉
19:53:05 | Wade: double the monthly account cost for the next two years
19:53:24 | Becket: Can you just add it to my VIP account so it comes out that way
19:53:24 | Majenta: an idea, if people dont want to just give willy nilly.. i know you said trade off is gold, but you could also sell packages of IW stuff for certain amounts also.. then people have a bit more choices when it comes to what they get for donating?
19:53:24 | Tuli: me too
19:53:24 | crazy~lil~noodle: but not everyone can pay that
19:53:29 | Tuli: be a lot easier
19:53:40 | PetMePlease: did U see that question Andy about regs going to VIP? would that help?
19:53:53 | SnowTigress: so you were talking about purchasing the hardware, can you possible put up a list somewhere on the techs for what you look for so that if we come across something we can alert you?
19:53:53 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: If you wanted it on subscription it could be done that way and the GoFundMe changed to show that
19:54:09 | Emm: love that question Snow, but sparc hw isnt often seen
19:54:25 | crazy~lil~noodle: thanks Tigress, I thought the same
19:54:30 | SnowTigress: yes, i know
19:54:35 | SnowTigress: but there is always the off chance
19:54:42 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: SnowTig. I have alerts on FB/eBay/Google but what would be handy is sometimes I could do with local people in the USA doing collections. I would cover the cost if you were near it.
19:54:58 | Poody Cat: Canaidian money cost more for memberships all of them
19:54:58 | Emm: i have fast wide scsi drives,30 years not used
19:55:19 | crazy~lil~noodle: me too
19:55:19 | crazy~lil~noodle: lol
19:55:24 | SnowTigress: yanno i like shopping in canada
19:55:24 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: This is the page: www_gofundme_com/f/spva3-community-support-initiative
19:55:32 | SnowTigress: lol
19:55:50 | Majenta: too bad you all arent close to me, i would have a bake sale for this lol
19:56:01 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Emm they have to be exact model number & exact firmware. I can send you a list
19:56:13 | Giapet: www_gofundme_com/f/spva3-community-support-initiative
19:56:40 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Also to be clear if the goal is not met I will have to issue the funds in gold. The platform does not allow refund.
19:56:47 | Emm: no need, they from an hp server back in the day
19:57:03 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: yeah HP/Dell ones dirt cheap
19:57:08 | Emm: fair enough
19:57:24 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Need to be Fujitsu or a specific Seagate designed for Sun.
19:57:40 | Happy Tobe Here: thoguth we getting g0old for the donation anyways?
19:58:11 | SnowTigress: wth? gofundme wants an $8.25 tip?
19:58:16 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: If we issue gold/aw for donations then it’s just shifting that fund to another which will make the situation worse.
19:58:22 | beannie: What is the EXACT name of the Go Fund Me Account ?
19:58:27 | Giapet: i sent the fisrt donation
19:58:27 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: You can set the tip to 0
19:58:32 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Please don’t contribute if it causes hardship, don’t reduce your AW or gold spending, don’t feel pressure and only contribute if it’s comfortable.
19:58:32 | Giapet: 100.00
19:58:43 | Emm: 1.75%
19:58:43 | beannie: ty
19:58:48 | Majenta: you can choose to not tip gofundme
19:58:48 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: You can set to 0% tip i think?
19:58:55 | Gemmy: if we get G for donating..it wont effect our G buying
19:58:55 | Giapet: yes
19:58:55 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: yeah
19:59:06 | SnowTigress: i donated
19:59:11 | Giapet: YAY!!
19:59:22 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: If anyone has questions at any time about this please let me know.
19:59:27 | Giapet: lets get this started
19:59:27 | Emm: 92 quid in, start working andy
19:59:41 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: and remember if the goal is not met then everything continues as normal. So do not worry.
19:59:41 | crazy~lil~noodle: lol
19:59:47 | PetMePlease: done <jump>
19:59:47 | Happy Tobe Here: i cand onate only on the 3rd of each month
19:59:47 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: lol Emm
19:59:57 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: andy stop talking and work
20:00:03 | PetMePlease: 378 quid LOL
20:00:08 | crazy~lil~noodle: <react>
20:00:22 | PetMePlease: ur ass is gonna be ours <grin>
20:00:28 | Emm: 507
20:00:28 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: ohh boy
20:00:38 | Emm: we need a fundraising event

20:01:01 | Happy Tobe Here: well prizes aernt Gold
20:01:11 | Emm: Noodle, that’s you
20:01:17 | PetMePlease: and Nikki <jump>
20:01:17 | Emm: why not netherlands?
20:01:22 | Happy Tobe Here: berkley is in TX but shes at work rn
20:01:22 | crazy~lil~noodle: lol Emm
20:01:27 | crazy~lil~noodle: I am in germany yes
20:01:38 | crazy~lil~noodle: how can I help?
20:01:48 | crazy~lil~noodle: I baked some cookies today, need some?
20:01:53 | Emm: bring a package to the uk

20:01:59 | crazy~lil~noodle: ok
20:02:04 | PetMePlease: I like having Noods involved in this <grin>
20:02:14 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Germany and Texas both have suppliers of the hardware.
20:02:14 | Lady Devra: *Gasp* a Mule…
20:02:20 | PetMePlease: LOL
20:02:20 | crazy~lil~noodle: lol @bring a package to the UK , a stranger will bring it to you lmao
20:02:25 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Sometimes when they have cheap things they won’t ship to the UK
20:02:30 | SnowTigress: 250£
20:02:30 | Wade: we can send texas oil and you noods russian oil to help
20:02:41 | SnowTigress: 507£
20:02:46 | Majenta: maybe start and OnlyPixels too
20:02:51 | crazy~lil~noodle: we have no russian oil anymore sorry
20:02:51 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: so it would be helpful when that time comes I can get it shipped to a member and then onto me.
20:02:51 | Majenta: an*
20:02:56 | Wade: wtg
20:03:04 | Happy Tobe Here: only fans for pixels
20:03:14 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: the hardware in germany is designed for EU which is better for what we use in the UK
20:03:14 | Morning Glory: lol
20:03:14 | Becket: I could always go get it for you Andy I am in Texas
20:03:19 | crazy~lil~noodle: ok we can talk about it later
20:03:30 | SnowTigress: Washington state
20:03:30 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Becket thank you i’ve saved your name for Texas
20:03:30 | Becket: If it’s in Houston I could go get it

20:03:46 | Emm: ty for the info Andy
20:03:53 | Tuli: get Poo for New York
20:04:19 | Giapet: i put the GoFundMe on our Facebook
20:04:38 | Becket: nice
20:04:38 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Feet pics >>>>>>>
20:04:38 | SnowTigress: lol
20:04:43 | Wade: what does the donation get? gold?
20:04:56 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: killing me wade
20:04:56 | Majenta: ty for all you do and continue to do Andy! i think this is a good idea, and i will support how can
20:05:06 | Giapet: if you need somethng from Denver COlorado my daughter would gladly get it for me.
20:05:11 | Becket: yes you get gold for the amount you donate
20:05:17 | crazy~lil~noodle: I sent the link to a vzones friend , my sister
20:05:24 | Giapet: i get gold?
20:05:24 | Becket: read the GoFund me page
20:05:24 | Giapet: wow
20:05:29 | Giapet: i didnt see that
20:05:29 | Wade: hes saying no
20:05:29 | Tuli: i will support best I can as well..
20:05:36 | Giapet: lol
20:05:42 | Wade: donaion is a donation
20:05:42 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: If the goal is not met then it will cancelled and the money sent to you in gold.
20:06:03 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: it’s all or nothing platform but I can’t do that
20:06:03 | Giapet: that great!
20:06:03 | beannie: what is the dollar/gold conversion rate ?
20:06:13 | Giapet: i hope it works and i dont get a refund
20:06:21 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: So if it’s not met then I will refund as gold for you.
20:06:26 | Majenta: but if the goal IS met, we do not get gold for the contribution? just confirming
20:06:31 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Correct
20:06:31 | Majenta: got it
20:06:38 | Giapet: i reather it work
20:06:38 | Giapet: rather
20:06:43 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: You get me for an extra 80 hours
20:06:49 | Giapet: can i go back to bed now?
20:06:54 | SnowTigress: lmao
20:06:54 | Becket: I really don’t care about getting something for my Donation I just care about keeping this place going
20:06:54 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: You can
20:06:54 | SnowTigress: no
20:07:05 | SnowTigress: there’s more windows coming up
20:07:05 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Thank you Becket
20:07:10 | Giapet: ty andy
20:07:10 | PetMePlease: Same for me Beck
20:07:26 | Emm: everybody, put vz in your wil
20:07:26 | Emm: l
20:07:31 | Giapet: YOU ARE the best owner this pop stand has ever had
20:07:31 | Tuli: me too
20:07:31 | pepper pot: lol
20:07:36 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Thank you all for coming and the support.
20:07:47 | Tuli: ty Andy for sticking by us
20:07:54 | Majenta: huggss ty Andy! hope we can all keep this afloat
20:07:54 | SnowTigress: i’d rather leave it to vzones than my blackmailing daughter
20:08:04 | Giapet: lol
20:08:04 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: hugsssss all
20:08:10 | pepper pot: yikes
20:08:10 | Gemmy: lol

20:08:15 | Gemmy: hugzz Andy ty
20:08:25 | Becket: I will Donate and try to donate a little more because some can not