townmeeting notes dec 10th.

i lost a bit of the end, my apologies

18:57:47 | Mysterion: andy some snow is from 23
18:57:47 | LiL B: ummm what all the snow for ?
18:57:47 | <system>: Sorry, you must be next to the object chosen.
18:57:47 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: bad snow that
18:57:47 | Mysterion: move those 2 snow please
18:57:47 | Mysterion: so i can them
18:57:47 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Wouldnt use the out of date stuff
18:57:47 | <system>: Sorry, you must be next to the object chosen.
18:57:47 | PetMePlease: make it yellow snow
18:57:47 | Mysterion: upper right corner
18:57:47 | Morning Glory: Good Afternoon all
18:57:47 | Mysterion: needs moving
18:57:47 | Happy Tobe Here: what do we do with it?
18:57:47 | Mysterion: mnelt it
18:57:47 | Mysterion: make snow angels
18:57:47 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: hoard it
18:57:47 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: if you need help with that ask anyone in this room
18:57:47 | LiL B: ill pawn it
18:57:47 | Happy Tobe Here: and the points?
18:57:47 | Mysterion: count them
18:57:47 | Happy Tobe Here: i am asking
18:57:47 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: yep
18:57:47 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: points = prizes
18:57:47 | Happy Tobe Here: i see
18:57:47 | Happy Tobe Here: how come there all glued down in the argo?
18:57:47 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Remember guys if you want to run a mini weekend event in the future you can do so by requesting at _www_vzones_com/prize-request/
18:57:47 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Argo area is just heavy snow
18:57:47 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: not points snow
18:57:47 | Happy Tobe Here: ok
18:57:47 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Radio statio needs songs on a regular basis if anyone likes tunes www_vzones_com/kymr-radio/
18:57:47 | Mikey: member events are allowed?
18:57:47 | PetMePlease: That’s Poo’s job
18:57:47 | Mysterion: yes
18:57:47 | Mysterion: one day events
18:57:47 | Danny: Emm you taking notes
18:57:47 | Danny: MOM needs me<sigh>
18:57:47 | Danny: bbasap
18:57:47 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Starting in 3 minutes and won’t take long.
18:57:47 | Morning Glory: I keep submtting song but none are ever played <shrug>
18:57:58 | Mysterion: taking notes
18:58:03 | crazy~lil~noodle: pulls titzys skirt
18:58:03 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: MG i’ve put loads of your songs on
18:58:13 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: They only stay up for a day remember
18:58:13 | Morning Glory: really?
18:58:13 | Mysterion: hope the link thing is fixed in the forum
18:58:18 | Morning Glory: I must keep missing them
18:58:33 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: A link is broken?
18:58:38 | Mysterion: nope
18:58:49 | Mysterion: cant post more than 1 url in a forum post
18:58:49 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: ohhhhh
18:58:54 | Mysterion: meaning if i want to paste this log
18:58:59 | PetMePlease: OK whats today all about? Did anyone else donate to GFM?
18:59:04 | Mysterion: and it has 2 urls, i need to changeit all
18:59:09 | Mysterion: it is on your to do list
18:59:14 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: yep it’s on the listing. Waiting on update of the software we use for that. It’s got quite a few new features in
18:59:14 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: like post share and stuff
18:59:24 | Mysterion: nice ty
18:59:40 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Thank you all for coming. Lets get started!
18:59:55 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Firstly i want to advise that this week I am doing some work on the schedule system so we can allow none games
19:00:00 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: to show without making it confusing or conflicting. This will show things like open shops & lottery draws.
19:00:10 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: So you may see short periods of the schedule being on/off.
19:00:28 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: This is just a very quick follow up on the cloud fund. If you are not aware what this is then please see all details at: www_gofundme_com/f/spva3-community-support-initiative
19:00:28 | Happy Tobe Here: auctions?
19:00:41 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: auctions yep
19:00:57 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: New Benefits for Recurring Monthly Donors
19:01:07 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Added a few small but meaningful benefits for those who choose to support the cloud fund on a monthly basis.
19:01:07 | Gemmy: Lottery is MIA
19:01:17 | Gemmy: (again)<react>
19:01:22 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: These aren’t meant to pressure anyone they’re simply a way of saying thank you and giving a bit of extra value to those who are able to commit each month.
19:01:38 | PetMePlease: i saw him over the weekend but I think hees possessed
19:01:38 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: You can view a full list of benefits via the updates section on www_gofundme_com/f/spva3-community-support-initiative
19:01:43 | Gemmy: lol
19:01:48 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: 2. Update on My Consulting Work and What Happens Next
19:01:53 | Mysterion: he did a 1 day lottery
19:01:58 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: I’ve been able to negotiate my consulting schedule so that it now starts in February instead of January.
19:01:58 | Gemmy: we think he is in an outta jail too much
19:02:03 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: This gives us a window to do something helpful for everyone.
19:02:14 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: If we don’t reach the full monthly goal, or it becomes clear that we’re not going to reach it consistently, then in early January I will contact everyone who donated in December.
19:02:29 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: You will be able to choose one of two things:
19:02:29 | PetMePlease: U dont give someone on work release a job handling money LOL
19:02:34 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Receive the full value of your December contribution back in gold
19:02:39 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: or
19:02:49 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Have me work the additional 80 hours during January, so everyone can get a real preview of what that extra time would look like for the world.
19:02:54 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: January would be the first and only time I can do this preview, because once my consulting work begins in February, I won’t be able to shift it month by month based on the funding.
19:03:00 | Mysterion: let it ride <jump>
19:03:05 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: I want to make sure everyone gets full value either way, and that you always feel your support is appreciated and respected.
19:03:25 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Thank you all again for the amazing response so far. We’re already far closer than I expected at this stage. I’m happy to answer questions or hear any thoughts you have this is very much a community discussion, and your input matters.
19:04:27 | Mikey: the one question that comes to mind andy is will anything be lost in move?
19:04:37 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: nope, nothing lost
19:05:15 | Mikey: then I hope its a smooth transfer
19:05:50 | Madame Titzenass: would it not make sense to increase monthly membership
19:06:04 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: that would be something we would handle near the time but however it’s done nothing would be lost/changed.
19:06:04 | Essence: no i cant affor that
19:06:14 | Madame Titzenass: i cant either
19:06:19 | PetMePlease: everything goes up
19:06:19 | Madame Titzenass: but hes needin money
19:06:45 | Happy Tobe Here: will there a way to sub to this monthly commetment?
19:06:55 | PetMePlease: No ones bills have gone up since 2018?
19:06:55 | Essence: if the cost goes up peeps cant afford it and they leave not gonna help either
19:06:55 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Putting up the cost for everyone is not something I would do. I would rather to continue paying the £1500 personally myself so we keep it as we are.
19:07:10 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: The long term goal with cloud is partly to bring down the cost of membership.
19:07:26 | Happy Tobe Here: i mean how will you know if i donate every month?
19:07:31 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Cloud allows mass scale which does that
19:07:51 | Happy Tobe Here: ok
19:08:05 | Gracie: If this doesn’t materialise, I presume the money accumulated will be used for the benefit of keeping the worlds in good condition as it can’t be paid back to each individual who contributed.
19:08:05 | Happy Tobe Here: ima all for that
19:08:10 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: If it stays on GoFundMe it gives me a report of who did what or it can be moved to the orders section if you wanted
19:08:20 | PetMePlease: So whats the bottom line WHat can we do in the mean time to help
19:08:36 | PetMePlease: my 500 GFM came to 608 LOL
19:08:41 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Gracie do you mean December or in years to come?
19:09:06 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Pet it could be switched to the website so you don’t have any currency issues.
19:09:11 | Gracie: no not Deciember just in general if you don’t manage to accumulate the amount you need and are unable to put it onto the cloud
19:09:27 | PetMePlease: Ok
19:09:37 | Mysterion: dollar is worth less than the british pound
19:09:52 | Happy Tobe Here: it lets you convert to us
19:09:52 | PetMePlease: thanks
19:09:58 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: At Gracie if we don’t reach it by December or recurring then I will continue to fund it myself as normal.
19:10:03 | Gracie: ok ty
19:10:23 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: I will then offer you either gold for January or as a one time thing in January i can preview the 80 hours.
19:10:34 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: But I can’t do that once Feb starts.
19:10:39 | Mikey: so either way we are going cloud
19:10:39 | Happy Tobe Here: i wanna see what you can do in 80 hrs
19:10:44 | Happy Tobe Here: tbh
19:10:59 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Yeah we gave to go to the cloud to avoid using 1990’s hardware
19:11:10 | Lord Top Cat: Are these donations just to fund the development cost of moving the infrastructure to the cloud, or to also pay for ongoing monthly costs? Cloud ain’t cheap – so do you expect the monthly donations to continue in perpetuity, or is there an end date?
19:11:58 | Happy Tobe Here: 2 yrs? wasnt it?
19:12:13 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: I pay and have done for years £1500 in development cost for the cloud. So the fund is going directly to replace that. By doing this i get the chance to reduce my other work so the 80 hours saved I will put into VZ.
19:13:15 | Mysterion: my i compliment you on this crazy xmas event
19:13:25 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: 2 years we have been regular on the cloud yeah. I’ve known from the start that we can’t be reliant on hardware that’s been made in 1992!!
19:13:25 | Happy Tobe Here: right
19:14:01 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Tuli i can work with anyone 1 on 1 if they want to change from GoFundMe to monthly recurring. I would then just drop the GoFundMe total for those who don’t.
19:14:42 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Then when SL went opensource I knew we had to take similar path in the future.
19:15:33 | Mikey: can u just adjust membership price for someone who wants recurring monthly?
19:15:33 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: That was all i had guys so anything else from you all?
19:15:43 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Yeah i can change the monthly for you.
19:15:48 | Mysterion: you mention open source
19:16:09 | PetMePlease: Who’s idea was it to have 20 days of games?
19:16:14 | PetMePlease: 30
19:16:14 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: opensource as in cloud worlds like a sim in SL
19:16:19 | Mysterion: SL client is open source, server is propriety, you want to follow that mode?
19:16:34 | Mysterion: model, not mode
19:16:34 | Morning Glory: we have 30 dys of games every month
19:16:34 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: 30 days of games! I can take that credit.
19:16:45 | Happy Tobe Here: THANK YOU
19:16:55 | PetMePlease: LOL U may take the Beating too <grin>
19:17:00 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: What i took from SL was that we should allow people to create worlds and run them
19:17:15 | Happy Tobe Here: i love that
19:17:15 | PetMePlease: Yes
19:17:21 | Mikey: Andy as the new member
19:17:31 | Mysterion: ok, ty, Emms World coming soon
19:17:31 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: with some kind of deal where WorldsAway gets a copy of all art for WA only usage.
19:17:31 | PetMePlease: SL is so much cheaper
19:17:36 | Gracie: This is 2D world, most now are 3D. You said last time you hoped to sell to others on the cloud.. how will you go about the different worlds 2D and 3D
19:18:07 | Mikey: the question i have will world have caretaker acos Oracles like old days
19:18:07 | Gracie: I may have got this wrong but just interested to know
19:18:12 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: 2D Pixel worlds/Games is growing a lot now but mostly on mobile
19:18:22 | Gracie: ok
19:18:22 | Happy Tobe Here: were retro
19:18:22 | Happy Tobe Here: smh
19:18:27 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: In Emm world you would be able to do what you want yes.
19:18:32 | Mysterion: retro is hot again
19:18:38 | crazy~lil~noodle: retro is populare
19:18:38 | Happy Tobe Here: thats whats in
19:18:38 | Mysterion: no you would not,i would be king
19:18:43 | Happy Tobe Here: see
19:18:48 | Mini Me: why did we get rid of acos?
19:19:04 | Gracie: thanks for that info.
19:19:04 | Happy Tobe Here: guides too
19:19:14 | PetMePlease: Andy U will give Poo a fiddle in Emm’s World right5?
19:19:19 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: This would be rented out like SL do with Sims but we can offer branded software also and this would become the bread and butter for VZones. This would give WorldsAway (which would never change) huge amounts of new art and lower costs for membership.
19:19:24 | crazy~lil~noodle: lol
19:19:35 | Gracie: No he has promised me one Poo
19:19:50 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: I wouldn’t give anyone a fiddle in Emm world. I would go in as a regular player and enjoy it.
19:19:55 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Emm would be in charge!!
19:20:06 | crazy~lil~noodle: hehe
19:20:11 | Mysterion: nobody would enjoy it, enjoyment will be prohibited
19:20:16 | PetMePlease: Oye hahaha
19:20:16 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: yikes
19:20:16 | Majenta: lmao
19:20:21 | Happy Tobe Here: at a cost
19:20:21 | Mysterion: complaining compulsory
19:20:27 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: then i would join happy’s world
19:20:27 | PetMePlease: No smiling allowed
19:20:32 | Happy Tobe Here: lol
19:20:32 | Happy Tobe Here: right on
19:20:42 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Happy Zones by Happy
19:20:47 | Happy Tobe Here: ima diggin that
19:20:52 | Madame Titzenass: poos zones be all weed
19:20:52 | Happy Tobe Here: <react>
19:20:58 | Madame Titzenass: we go there
19:20:58 | Majenta: lol
19:20:58 | Becket: lol
19:21:08 | PetMePlease: Poo’s Pot Palace
19:21:18 | crazy~lil~noodle: haha
19:21:18 | Happy Tobe Here: oh boy lol
19:21:29 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: I had an idea for an event where i add everyone to the lease of a special turf
19:21:34 | crazy~lil~noodle: poo’s pot sounds like….
19:21:39 | crazy~lil~noodle: <react>
19:21:44 | Mini Me: i’m still curious about the acos
19:21:49 | Mysterion: lol that will be in good faith
19:21:55 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Then for the weekend we replace every part of the public world with the turf
19:22:00 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: So you would login and not know anything was different
19:22:05 | Geddy Lee: poo’s stank-ass weed
19:22:10 | PetMePlease: hahahaha
19:22:10 | Happy Tobe Here: lol
19:22:10 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: BUT you would be able to build/edit/change anything anywhere
19:22:15 | crazy~lil~noodle: lol
19:22:15 | Happy Tobe Here: wow
19:22:15 | Majenta: interesting
19:22:21 | Happy Tobe Here: id love that
19:22:26 | Majenta: you really love chaos lol
19:22:31 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: yeah it would be great fun
19:22:31 | Mini Me: that’s a cool idea
19:22:36 | PetMePlease: im already afraid Andy
19:22:42 | Mikey: Gemmy is that you thats curious about acos?
19:22:47 | crazy~lil~noodle: Chaos Andy <react>
19:22:47 | Majenta: ill get my popcorn ready
19:22:47 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Unless someone starts stealing the doors
19:23:02 | Happy Tobe Here: i wanto add a 2nd floor to muh 20 room turfs andy? 10 more rooms? ok ?
19:23:02 | Majenta: dont give anyone ideas lol
19:23:13 | Happy Tobe Here: <react>
19:23:18 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: happy yep
19:23:28 | Gracie: lol I bet some might
19:23:28 | Mysterion: development question for current vz: do you have source code for vzdapi.dll or wadapi.dll ?
19:23:39 | Happy Tobe Here: ill buy that
19:24:10 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Yes we have it on the api
19:24:30 | Mysterion: ok ty
19:25:20 | Happy Tobe Here: i love my new turf so much
19:25:20 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Anything else or do you want me to host a paint club for the last 30?
19:25:25 | Happy Tobe Here: i mean alot
19:25:41 | crazy~lil~noodle: there was the Aco question
19:25:41 | crazy~lil~noodle: from mini me
19:25:46 | Mikey: what is a paint club?
19:25:51 | Geddy Lee: news about lotto?
19:25:51 | Moose Fart: when can name changes be cheaper?
19:25:51 | Happy Tobe Here: guiides or aco?
19:25:51 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: did i miss it?
19:25:56 | XieToo: chaos
19:26:02 | crazy~lil~noodle: yes
19:26:07 | Moose Fart: asking for a friend
19:26:07 | Happy Tobe Here: there are none anymore
19:26:12 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Lotto issues should be solved now. I’ve spoken to him.
19:26:17 | Happy Tobe Here: and with more new players joining
19:26:33 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: If name change is a problem for you drop a ticket and I will see what can be done.
19:26:40 | Mysterion: just help them when you see them
19:26:40 | Mikey: will we ever have guide acos caretakers or oracles?
19:26:40 | Happy Tobe Here: we need support around the clock
19:26:45 | Moose Fart: paint club is like fight club but with paint
19:26:45 | crazy~lil~noodle: there should be more Aco’s yes
19:26:55 | Mini Me: Mikey’s question as well
19:27:11 | Mini Me: “the question i have will world have caretaker acos Oracles like old days” -Mikey
19:27:11 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: At the last meeting we did the buddy idea was discussed to help the new members
19:27:21 | crazy~lil~noodle: yes
19:27:32 | PetMePlease: yes and we do
19:27:37 | Mysterion: right
19:27:37 | Happy Tobe Here: and the old ones too<react> they need the most help
19:27:42 | Happy Tobe Here: <cough>
19:27:52 | Gracie: lol how true
19:27:52 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: @ mikey a lot of jobs that were done by “staff” are no longer needed because we have bots.
19:27:52 | Gracie: getting there though
19:28:23 | XieToo: Welcomers = even the name sounds… erm… welcoming.
19:28:44 | PetMePlease: I dont think we need more Guides Aco’s .. we become depend on them and we all know they eventually disappear
19:28:55 | Mini Me: the bots cant do everything though, staff hours were helpful in the past
19:29:00 | ~*Troela*~: paintclub is a lot of codes to paint an item and arguing which to use at the end.
19:29:00 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Lots of jobs that “Staff” did can be done without having a title or powers but sadly a lot of people want the status/power which then leads to 2014 headaches which we have done so well to avoid.
19:29:05 | Happy Tobe Here: sometimes you just need a person to guide you
19:29:21 | Happy Tobe Here: cant it limited?
19:29:26 | PetMePlease: Andy never takes longer than a day to get back to with any issue I submitted or txt’d about
19:29:31 | Gracie: and a lot of arguing between people I think
19:29:36 | Madame Titzenass: i agree they get full of their own self importance
19:29:41 | Acolyte Cosmic Andy: Emm/Rhi are listed as helpers for new members
19:29:47 | crazy~lil~noodle: right